Does genetics cause the "The sheep mentality" In peoples heads
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911oz Site Admin
Joined: 19 May 2007 Posts: 203 Location: Sydney, Australia
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:38 am Post subject:
Me wrote:
911oz wrote:
John Bursill wrote:
Good post Foco, a shame about the end bit. A little strong, but as usual heart felt!
This debate is over, Erik will you archive this?
Regards John
that maybe a little heavy handed - i think the people have voiced their consensus that this eugenicisit argument is lame as hell.
And, by the way, i did NOT vote. I refuse to legitimise the question by voting.
For me it is not on the table for debate - it would be like voting on whether negroes are stupid or jews are evil. But it's in the off topic forum and it's under the wire in terms of our forum rules.
Its not like that at all hereward, its like saying "ooh that family are very tall", or "that family all have big ears" or "that family have not had diabetes in their family but mine does, why?"
I will say it again i DO NOT see these people as "sub human" or "different humans" just THICK ones that are like their family!!!!
Im not even saying ALL members of the same family are like that, there are exceptions to ANY rule
do you at least understand that point???!!!
also, by poo pooing the thread you ARE discussing it!!!! so vote away!!!!
firstly, your posts says "Is there an sub intellectual "underclass" in the human race"
"sub intellectual" sounds pretty close to "sub human". It's a eugenicist argument which i will not legitimise by "voting".
The only way of "measuring" intelligence is the IQ test. Some people are better at doing IQ tests than other people. But it has been proven that this is largely cultural. I detest IQ tests also! It is cultural imperialism.
What you call "Intelligence" is a cultural thing, and has many different forms - read Howard Gardner on multiple intelligences ... it is NOT an absolute. The very idea that you can "measure" intelligence assumes a position of superiority.
The idea you are putting forward is the same as what is blasted at us all day and night by the mass media. It is itself a dumbed down concept, and it goes hand in hand with fascism.
Hi John.... hope all is well in yr world, i have edited my openng post to tery to explain it better. to be honest John i did sit and mull how to word the opening hit for about an hour! If i offended anyone i am sorry, i thought i had explained my choice of word "underclass" in my opening post.. If i did not make it clear i am sorry too... my mistake
Im certainly not of the belief that these people are "sub human" If anyone got that end of my stick, once again i apologise
if anyone who can wants to edit my opening "underclass" bit then go ahead and change the word... im ok wiv dat _________________ Job DONE
I think some of you are getting worked up over the idea that there could be a "race" of people who are sheeple.. I think it's fair to ask the question, is there a genetic disposition for some people to be close minded. I don't think it's about race.
Like, some people are genetically better at hand and eye co-ordination, but like almost anything in life, all these things can be honed and practiced over time. A well trained marksman will do much better than a man who has a natural ability in hand and eye..
I believe to go on about "eugenics this, eugenics that" is not a valid rebuttal.
We cannot dismiss variances in our genetic to account for problems and or oddities. It's been discussed that alchoholics have genetic difference that causes their brains to want to drink more, "thirsty" as one of my alcoholic friends used to say. Is this a race issue, probably not, is this a genetic issue, I'd have to say yes.
Anyway looks like we're on a roll, I'll archive this later _________________ Come to http://vtil.org/bbs/ for more alternative information.
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Joined: 19 May 2007 Posts: 203 Location: Sydney, Australia
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject:
Erik wrote:
I think some of you are getting worked up over the idea that there could be a "race" of people who are sheeple.. I think it's fair to ask the question, is there a genetic disposition for some people to be close minded. I don't think it's about race.
Like, some people are genetically better at hand and eye co-ordination, but like almost anything in life, all these things can be honed and practiced over time. A well trained marksman will do much better than a man who has a natural ability in hand and eye..
I believe to go on about "eugenics this, eugenics that" is not a valid rebuttal.
We cannot dismiss variances in our genetic to account for problems and or oddities. It's been discussed that alchoholics have genetic difference that causes their brains to want to drink more, "thirsty" as one of my alcoholic friends used to say. Is this a race issue, probably not, is this a genetic issue, I'd have to say yes.
Anyway looks like we're on a roll, I'll archive this later
Erik the whole thrust of eugenics is that it imposes a hierarchy of more evolved vs less evolved, which is totally different to athletic ability, coordination etc.
Eugenics is preoccupied with "superiority", a subjective concept, just like "intelligence".
If intelligence cannot even be measured reliably by IQ tests how the fuck do you propose to find the "gene" for it?
Medical science is rife with unscientific assertions that this or that form of mental disturbance is biochemical or genetic, and they selectively ignore and persecute dissident scientific opinions. For example: autism. Autism has been shown to have a strong nurture aspect, and is probably an emotional reaction to a hostile environment. Autistic people often have amazing intellectual abilities in a narrow range even though they have low IQ's according to IQ tests.
But the popular opinion (fed to us by the Nazi-like bio-psychiatric Big Pharma lobby) is that this is purely biological and genetic, and that autistic people are mentally retarded.
Of course, they don't outright say that autistic people are sub-human, no, that's not PC, they just let our historical prejudice fill in the gaps, and these people are treated as if they are.
This thread IS about Eugenics. I'm not going to say it should be deleted, because that would make me a Nazi too, but I'm going to call a spade a spade, no matter whether you tell me it's only shovel.
If intelligence cannot even be measured reliably by IQ tests how the fuck do you propose to find the "gene" for it?
Who knows what science will find the answers too in the future!!!
911oz wrote:
This thread IS about Eugenics.
Oh NO its NOT!!! Its my thread and that word did not even come into my head when starting it, i have to say this has has a GOOD response though....
so im happy
as for even vaugly hinting that i am a "Nazi", thats just too funny for words... shall i reattach my foreskin and forget i was Barmitzvad????? I dont think ive ever been called that b4!!!! oy Vey
How can you archive a post thats only 15 hours old??? 59 hits and TEN replies... id say it was still a happening thing!!!
Let it run!!!!!!
Look, i AM being take wrong here,
I will try to explain it again
I am talking about different brains in the same was as say, big noses, large hands, long legs, strong heart, good immune system, or the like...
I am NOT saying that just because we have different brain functions OR capacities that we are any "less" or "more" human I am just saying some people are genetically thick, and have been for generations....
so far its an equal vote!!!!!
that hardly is a sign of debate over hey???
I think you are wrong. This is getting into the Nazi debate and its wrong. Not morally but scientifically groundless. I also think the entire field of Psychiatry, as a theory for active chemical intervention of neurotic phenotypes is unscientific and today its main proponent is not science but corporate profit and population control. DO NOT TAKE ANTIDEPRESSANTS.
Firstly one might want to acquire a science degree in Statistics before daring to engage Eugenics debate. The most common mistake made by people to advocate this viewpoint is a misunderstanding of statistical analysis - as seen here in the Blacks in London debate I had.
Last edited by Focoist on Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:02 am; edited 1 time in total
ME, is it people in forums denying controlled demolition of WTC which incited you to think like this? Because you have to realise these people are payrole liars. They are not dumb. They are paid full time to run around the internet trying to make us think that everyone must be so stupid that there is no point in activating 9/11 Truth.
Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Posts: 193 Location: Mid North Coast, NSW
Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject:
I think it's both. Nature and Nurture.
The other thing that's been thrown into the mix is chemicals. There are now claims, from around the world, from a lot of scientists, that chemicals are damaging I.Q.'s. Apparently, mercury, can severely damage your I.Q. and also lead. There is anecdotal evidence, especially from Africa, that I.Q.'s are plummeting. If you look at Africa you see 2 distinct problems, poor diet and poor education. To me, this signifies Nature and Nurture problem. The pregnant mothers, have a very limited and poor diet, then the kids don't get a chance at school, because they're either to poor, there are no schools or trying to stay alive in the middle of a civil war.
As for sitting people down, showing them proof, right before their own eyes, that WTC 1, 2 and 7 were obviously C.D. That's a hard one. This is part of an article I found. This is posted under the topic where we proved to HELLAEON that the twin towers were controlled demolition.
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Hallaeon has the Popular Mechanics problem, it's called "Lemminghood". You will probably find that at least half the population suffer from this trend. This is part of an article I sourced from VOX. I advise all to go to the site and read the article in full. It is quite good.(does have some anti-zionist content)
This is no opinion piece. Rather it is a collection of buried, but undeniable facts, events, and quotes which, when assembled in one place, will state their own conclusions. In putting together this research in a logical and sequential format, great care was taken to confirm, double confirm, and triple confirm every piece of information. Any and all questionable data which could not be independently verified to this author’s satisfaction was discarded.
Taken individually, each story, quote and event may not amount to a full case. But when taken collectively, this mountain of facts should hammer home the truth to even the most skeptical reader. *** There are of course those who have fallen under the hypnotic spell of the TV talking-heads and "experts" whom they worship as authority figures. Unaccustomed to thinking for themselves, no amount of truth can sway them from their preconceived prejudices. They will even deny that which they see with their own eyes. They are victims of a psychological affliction known as "the lemming effect". Lemmings are small rodents who have been observed to follow each other as they charge to their deaths into raging rivers or even off of cliffs. Lemminghood is an innate psychological phenomenon, present in most mammals and observable in common people as well the most sophisticated and educated elites. Lemminghood is not an intellectual phenomenon - it is psychological. As such, no socio-economic class is immune to its strangulating effect. A grant- seeking university scientist can be a lemming just as much as a fashion obsessed teen-age girl. One blindly follows the latest trendy theory while the other follows the latest clothing style. What's the difference? Neither can resist the force of nature.
The power to fit in with one's social peers can be irresistible. To a human lemming, the logic behind an opinion doesn't count as much as the power and popularity behind an opinion. Man, like lemming, behaves collectively. And it could be no other way. Naturally, the individual must be equipped with this trait. Otherwise, the smallest steps toward civilization could never have been made. Lemminghood is a survival trait, an inborn instinct in the majority of people. However, as with all natural phenomena, this tendency can be manipulated and used for harmful purposes. It is this lemming effect which enables entire segments of a society to lose their sense of judgment all at the same time.
This research paper will likely be wasted on many lemmings. For lemmings, denial is a basic psychological defense mechanism used to not only shield themselves from unpleasant realities, but also to reassure themselves that they will still fit within the acceptable range of opinion held by their peer group. Lemmings are absolutely terrified at the thought of being labeled as an "extremist" or a "conspiracy theorist". At all costs, their beliefs must always be on the “right” side of the issue and conform within the boundaries of their lemming peers. Lemmings simply cannot bear the burden of responsibility, or the social discomfort, which comes with thinking independently. They will resist any efforts to change their misguided beliefs with all their mental energy. We can try to open their closed minds and free them from their self-imposed blindness, but it’s not easy fighting the force of human nature. The chains of ideological conformity have too strong of a grip, and breaking them is a difficult task. With the limited resources at our disposal, it is next to impossible to compete with the media lemming-masters. The lie of the emperor is always believed before the truth of the peasant. Nevertheless, some of us must make the meager attempt, and thus lay the foundation upon which the truth might one day rise again.
There are those few among us who do possess both the courage and intellectual capacity to break free of the shackles of lemminghood and accept the truth when it is presented in a clear and logical sequence. To those open minded and independent thinkers I wish to state clearly and unequivocally. I intend to set forth in this paper an overwhelming body of evidence which should forever destroy the ridiculous notion that some Saudi Arabian caveman and his band of half-trained, nerdy Arab flight school attendees, orchestrated the most sophisticated terror operation in world history. The very idea is utterly laughable. And yet, due to the blithering barrage of bullshit dished out by the government/media complex, millions of "patriotic" Americans have accepted this fantastic fairy tale, this moronic mendacity, this silly superstition, this dangerous delusion, with a religious conviction bordering on insanity. As an admittedly useless public service to my helplessly misinformed countrymen of today, and as a gift to a posterity which will hopefully be more enlightened than my bewildered contemporaries, I have published this research so as to liberate as many people as I can from the oppressive yoke of media brainwashing and state sponsored lies. Do you have what it takes to break free from the lemming mob? If so, read on! _________________ It is time to awake all Aussie's to the truth. The truth is that 9/11 was not carried out by 19 Arabs under control by a man in a cave. We must fight back, the truth is our weapon !!
ME, is it people in forums denying controlled demolition of WTC which incited you to think like this? Because you have to realise these people are payrole liars. They are not dumb. They are paid full time to run around the internet trying to make us think that everyone must be so stupid that there is no point in activating 9/11 Truth.
You won't find people this dumb on the street.
Foco
absolutly not!!!! i have thought this ever since i was a kid, i have just grown in my conviction as i have got older..
Like i said i first observed it in members of my own family, i have spent a lot of time thinking about how they are what they are and i came to the conclusion that it is in their genes...
I dont want to sing my own praises but i am not like them at all, i am a bit of a black sheep of my family...
I also see it all around me everyday, in my customers, in my travels and more
TO be honest i was not even considering 9/11 debunkers when starting this thread, just the fact that they actually show understanding of the "big picture", even if they are wrong, shows that they are not these type of people
Its very hard to explain... Im only one man, but it is my view....
I am NOT a Nazi, thats just laughable and i DO NOT think that those who are "thick" for want of a better word are ANY less human that us in any way
but i think ive mentioned that already!!! _________________ Job DONE
In jewish scripture it IS written that they consider themselves a superior race. The holocaust in effect caused the smarter and richer jews to flee from the flock. The holocaust for the jews was kind of like a racial purification. THESE WORDS COME FROM A JEWISH PERSONS MOUTH! THEY HONESTLY BELIEVE THIS!
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