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 Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: Adelaideans? |
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Hello. Any South Aussies on the thread?
Perhaps we can oraganise a rally, a meeting, an exchange of ideas/information or perhaps plan a road trip to Sydney for the 9/11 anniversary.
Otherwise it would be nice to know that I'm not entirely alone in little old Adelaide. |
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John Bursill
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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A good friend of mine is from Adelaide, his name is Garry.
He will join you if he is in town, this last month he was with us in Sydney!
I will call him and let hime know you exist!
Kind regards John
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| That would be great. Cheers John |
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Simon
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: I thought I was alone in Australia on 911 truth! |
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My name is Simon and I am from Adelaide. On the day of the attacks of Sept 11 my frist reaction was it must have been controlled demolition. Unfortunatley I did not question the event any further and believed the main stream media lie.
About 12 months ago I accidently downloaded "Terrorstorm" by Alex Jones and was woken to the horrible truth. Sometimes I wish I had never been woken because my family and friends think I need to be placed into a mental Instution. None of my family or friends will look at the evidence.
The things I do for 911 truth and the fight against the Neocon New World Adjeda are;
- Blog & add comments where I can on the news websites, sometimes my comments fail to make the board.
- I have a 911-was an inside job sticker on my car
- I burn DVDs of Terrorstorm and stick them into peoples letter boxes when I can
- I write letters to my local members of parliment about "Police State" issues and loss of freedom issues plus more to come.
- When talking to strangers I insert things like "hey did you know the United Nations put steralization hormones into vaccines in Africa" into the conversation.
Anyway at least I now know Im not the only Australian into 911 truth. |
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able
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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welcome simon!
how did you find us?
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Hellaeon
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: Re: I thought I was alone in Australia on 911 truth! |
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| Simon wrote: | My name is Simon and I am from Adelaide. On the day of the attacks of Sept 11 my frist reaction was it must have been controlled demolition. Unfortunatley I did not question the event any further and believed the main stream media lie.
About 12 months ago I accidently downloaded "Terrorstorm" by Alex Jones and was woken to the horrible truth. Sometimes I wish I had never been woken because my family and friends think I need to be placed into a mental Instution. None of my family or friends will look at the evidence.
The things I do for 911 truth and the fight against the Neocon New World Adjeda are;
- Blog & add comments where I can on the news websites, sometimes my comments fail to make the board.
- I have a 911-was an inside job sticker on my car
- I burn DVDs of Terrorstorm and stick them into peoples letter boxes when I can
- I write letters to my local members of parliment about "Police State" issues and loss of freedom issues plus more to come.
- When talking to strangers I insert things like "hey did you know the United Nations put steralization hormones into vaccines in Africa" into the conversation.
Anyway at least I now know Im not the only Australian into 911 truth. |
Lol dude, I think your family has a right to be worried. |
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able
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Hellaeon please do not ridicule members.
are you basing your comment on simon not taking the governments direct order on how the populous should see 911 regardless of scientific proof to the contrary?
you belong to a skeptics forum (jref) so it is a hypocritical stance to judge someone on there inability to take something at face value.......
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Hellaeon
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| able wrote: | Hellaeon please do not ridicule members.
are you basing your comment on simon not taking the governments direct order on how the populous should see 911 regardless of scientific proof to the contrary?
you belong to a skeptics forum (jref) so it is a hypocritical stance to judge someone on there inability to take something at face value....... |
My apologies.
I think burning cd's/dvd's of propaganda productions and forcing your view on others borders on religion.
Oh I forgot...these are 'scientific' productions, not propaganda.
We have had this discussion before able, you like wow factors and connecting your own dots, judging things on your life experiences and preconceived bias.
I prefer real stuff, whether or not I like it.
For instance...Police state? WHERE? you guys harp on about your rights being eroded. Hey take a trip to Zimbabwe where the government wins the elections 100%-0%. You get to walk down the street, goto the shop owned by a non australian, have a chat, exchange money for goods, go home and watch foxtel. In places like the one mentioned you are killed for voting for the wrong person let alone involving yourself with another ethnicity. Get a grip.
Hence why I think his parents should be worried. Perhaps simon might want to actively challenge his new 'theories' by seeking out further information and other non moonbat websites? I would, thats how come I dont follow bugger all conspiracies.
My two cents.
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Hellaeon
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: if your really interested |
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Simon PM me and I ask me some of your questions regarding 9/11 concerns. You must have had something that tipped you over the conspiracy line at some point, but before that many questions that led you that way. You wont believe me I know, but I can prove many of your pet theories are wrong by going over your evidence with you and countering it with much much more....you up for the challenge? This is not meant to be a bully session either, I am just wanting to show you that these websites you are probably frequenting are full of nothing but assertions, propaganda, loud noice and rumours. Ask yourself when you read an article next to watch out for the follow up if you hear its proven wrong...
I say PM because otherwise if you post here our discussion will get lost in a myriad of replies from other members. |
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Hellaeon have you seen nothing since 911 that smells wrong?
is it all roses and there is nothing swept under the carpet?
plus read dates...... the person you are trying to contact posted one comment on 13 Sep 07 and has not posted again...... maybe they still read as a guest....
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Hellaeon
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| able wrote: | Hellaeon have you seen nothing since 911 that smells wrong?
is it all roses and there is nothing swept under the carpet?
plus read dates...... the person you are trying to contact posted one comment on 13 Sep 07 and has not posted again...... maybe they still read as a guest.... |
The only thing dodgy is the red tape that allowed intelligence not to be taken seriously. Thats an arguement of beurocratic rules, not some evil mastermind plot.
Hey got any evidence for explosives. Real, tangible, physical evidence?
Maybe Simon saw the light and actually used his brains to understand coincidence and faulty calculations.
Maybe... |
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we had that argument long ago friend and as i recall im still waiting on that math 
joke aside.... do you get any alarm bells at all with all the goings on in America?
or do you think the world is acting appropriately???
torturing people and carpet bombing children without proof? any tingles there?
one million dead in iraq? we went in to get a mad man with w.m.d and the only ones they found had made in America on them so they have to say they found none at all?
same lies starting against iran????
none of this gets you thinking?????
i cant believe it.... even people i have talked to a year or two ago that said America can do no wrong and 19 arabs did 911 have come around and that is without watching a dvd....
you simply must know something is up....
or you do know but you either pretend or worse still enjoy just having a opposite opinion to remain a "skeptic"....
did you try to use your mastery of skepticisms to look at the official story?
did you ever watch a dvd without trying to debunk as it plays?
ive scanned your forum and seen its "how to debunk" threads....
group mind is a hard thing to get around....
if you did find something that kept pulling on your trousers and brought it up on jref would you be ridiculed?
please note im asking in a friendly manner.
its just im astounded that a person who might have looked a little can have a opinion as you do...
to me its like a dog digging in the same hole i smacked his butt for yesterday.... its incredible!
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Hellaeon
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Goodaye Bloke,
| able wrote: | we had that argument long ago friend and as i recall im still waiting on that math
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I honestly have no idea where we were last at...I think it was here is NIST, but you dont take NIST. I say building recommendations have been changed because of the NIST report. Buildings you would walk into, but you dont take NIST. That means all the people who follow their recommendations (engineers, architects) dont find anything suspicious.
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joke aside.... do you get any alarm bells at all with all the goings on in America?
or do you think the world is acting appropriately???
torturing people and carpet bombing children without proof? any tingles there?
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If you think torturing terrorists for information is bad, then welcome to the real world. What do you think a terrorist would do if you were his prisoner. I have no issue whatsoever with the aparent 'torture' of people who want to kill me. It helps prevent further disasters. But of course, I assume you think they are all psy ops or flase flags or whatever.
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one million dead in iraq? we went in to get a mad man with w.m.d and the only ones they found had made in America on them so they have to say they found none at all?
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I dont think they found any WMD, not american made either. They got a madman. He was hung. The situation could definately have been handled better before going in so quickly. I dont know exact numbers. But even if america did not go in, you honestly think it would be all peace and harmony? You understand all the religious genocide that was done by the hussein tyranny? I think its excellent they are being forced to be a democratic country. Otherwise they would terrorize the world. What is wrong with having free elections, wearing what clothes you want and worshipping which ever silly religion you choose to? Did not have those choices before. Even in Afghanistan, you were not allowed to listen to music, women had no chance for education. These basic human rights you take for granted here in Australia are not given so easily in the rest of the world. These political ideals can be washed in opinion and not as easily right or wrong because its a moral arguement, stick with the actual events of 9/11 for now.
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same lies starting against iran????
none of this gets you thinking?????
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Iran says they want nuclear weapons and states its hatred of other countries - I dont think thats a good thing.
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i cant believe it.... even people i have talked to a year or two ago that said America can do no wrong and 19 arabs did 911 have come around and that is without watching a dvd....
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a) the official version of 9/11 was written by hundreds of scientists.
b) there is a clear linear path of what happened that day in the official version
c) Building regulations have changed, laws have been changed, many political and social regulations have changed because of reccomendations in a tonne of reports from agencies directed with investigating 9/11.
d) conspiracy theories abound but have no link to each other, or provide a similar thesis.
e) There is no linear conspiracy theory, it requires at least some major group to have been paid off or be hiding information that would change the course of history.
f) you have fringe groups and minorities who claim a lot, but then cannot provide a scientific thesis that is accepted by the overwhelming number of the rest of the scientific and building communities.
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you simply must know something is up....
or you do know but you either pretend or worse still enjoy just having a opposite opinion to remain a "skeptic"....
did you try to use your mastery of skepticisms to look at the official story?
did you ever watch a dvd without trying to debunk as it plays?
ive scanned your forum and seen its "how to debunk" threads....
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There are many things thanks to science that took me a while to accept. Science is wonderful and provides answers as close to reality as possible. If you can understand the self correcting mechanism that is devoid of bias, you will know science as the wonderful tool it is. I dont need to watch a dvd and debunk it as I go along. Its not hard to tell the difference between a factual presentation and one that uses music, half sentences and misquotes and dramatic narration disguised as facts.
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group mind is a hard thing to get around....
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come on man....
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if you did find something that kept pulling on your trousers and brought it up on jref would you be ridiculed?
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If I bring up something that is remotely plausable and can prove it with proof that cannot be refuted, no. If I just make claims based on first eyewitness responses, heresay and rumour and dont change my mind when things are cleared up and verified later on, yes I will be ridiculed.
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please note im asking in a friendly manner.
its just im astounded that a person who might have looked a little can have a opinion as you do...
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Tell me what brought down the towers....therm*te? nano nukes? space beams? squibs?
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to me its like a dog digging in the same hole i smacked his butt for yesterday.... its incredible! |
Able, you have done nothing except show me a heap of conspiracy links. A lot of what you have shown me I proved wrong. Even simple things I remember posting like silverstein not being paid out etc. How about you for once look for opposing views to your conspiracies instead of just gulping them down first go. I am always finding the opposing view, how about you challenge your world view instead of me.
Study an article on prison planet, then dig up a couple of newspaper articles on the same thing, and approach it with no belief in any of the articles. Use some stats. Right down how many actual factual things are presented in the articles, not just 'aparently' or 'an offical who does not want to be named' or 'this may mean' or any other author inclined theory. See the consistency between the paper articles and if prison planet follows up with changes to its original publications.
Cheers mate |
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Von Curtis
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: doesn't get it |
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| I'm afraid some people will remain blind , deaf and hypnotized to what has been going on for the last decade and more. Maybe as the stock market crashes people will ask more questions. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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watch (beyond treason) for starters and you will see all the chemical drums and the countries they come from.... one video made it out of Iraq of what was in the bunkers they then blow up while the bulk of there army was down wind..... "gulf syndrome anyone?" the use of depleted uranium is disgusting and in fact a "dirty bomb" the very thing they use in propaganda.... go figure.
desert storm was to get rid of the evidence that the u.s and Briton and many other countries sold Iraq the very weapons they accused them of possessing and told them to attack Iran with them.....
Iraq tested them on the Kurds..... a people that the u.s armed and told to march on Iraq with a promise that they would intervene... the u.s then stood back and let the Kurds get massacred and only used them in future propaganda.....
you have a very skewed view of reality my friend......
ow and here was that math....
you did me a favor my friend. i will now begin to send this math out to Australian maths professors. thank you for the remind.
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