1)the moral and legal question of the shooting
2)the character and motives of alex jones.
or even 3
3)are people who support alex jones and truthers in general sheep?
4)is hereward confused or a jackboot or completely above questioning?
5)is this the biggest waste of time and energy ever?
it seems to get more attention on prisonplanet than on here, indicating that it probally doesnt even matter if this is an attack on truth as this site isnt going to make a large differance in people opinion of alex jones and truthers anyway.
i hope we can all focus on more important issues from now on.
i see this thread being forgotten within a month. its that irrelevant.
Just to clear a few things up for people not aware on the whole gun rights issue: There is a believe among many that all American's have the right to bear arms so that they can protect themselves and their property from criminals or indeed possess a firearm so that they can go hunting. This is absolutely false.
The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
The right to bear and keep arms was written into the 2nd amendment, primarily to prevent the government from ever oppressing the people again. If the government had the knowledge that potentially every individual owned a firearm then it would be much more difficult to ever infringe on the people's rights again.
So just with the knowledge that every citizen had the right to own a gun (whether fired or not), by shear force of numbers (and a well regulated militia) citizens could always protect their constitutional rights. That is the main reason why so many have fought tooth and nail to try an take the guns off the American people, rather than for crime rates and school shootings, as horrific as they may be.
You may argue that it is ridiculous in this day and age with nuclear weapons and sidewinder missiles etc but the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act ensured that it was illegal to ever use military force or weapons against the people. (this was clearly violated in Waco when Ambram tanks were used to help aid in the killing of innocent men women and children even if it was under the guise of the FBI and BATF.)
So, it's not about hunting animals, shooting criminals, or protecting one's property (even though statistics can show that criminal activity is very low in towns where nearly everyone owns a firearm), it is about American's protecting their rights fought by the forefathers. The Constitution is based around the abolition of Royalty, in tern, making each citizen a King or Queen in their own right and ensures that the people rule, not the leaders. The gun rights issue is also about the hypocrisy of those in the government who are allowed to carry guns for their own protection, yet deny the rights of the people allowed under their own constitutional protection.
Alex Jones should and does know better and therefore it sounds like he is advocating the use of violence which surely is asking for trouble and falls into the hands of people who do not support the Constitution.
IMO Alex Jones is definitely a sensationalist and has been shown to get his facts twisted on numerous ocsassions so I prefer to stay away from his sites but I suppose that's another topic. _________________ "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Martin Luther King Jr
If the government had the knowledge that potentially every individual owned a firearm then it would be much more difficult to ever infringe on the people's rights again.
This is why Australians were manipulated into disarming. For ease of control.
Ironically, I have always entertained the thought that if any one thing can "save" us from total oppression, it would be the Americans and their "right to bear arms". Its kind of homeopathic in nature..... the cause becomes the cure.....
Anyhow, just a thought.
As though it wasn't bad enough that he brings disrepute by aligning with theorists of shape shifting lizard people.
proof? i think you will find that is a mockingbird attack. i've heard him make fun of such claims many times.
"some people think im a 14000 yr old draco" said with such sarcasm it was funny.
how any one can attack alex jones is amazing, have you even watched his films? all backed up with documented evidence.
and also hereward said he bullhorned alxous huxley or whatever his name is in endgame, he bullhorned someone else, he played a speach by the guy your thinking of.
and the speach in the guys own words supported the nwo, the book he wrote was how he HOPED the world would turn out.
can people on this forum please check the claims they make? its not others jobs to prove or disprove what you say, if u make a claim thats questionable please back it up with some evidence.
people can listen to alex jones themselves and judge him at infowars.com or google for "youtube endgame blueprint" and watch endgame on youtube. also watch 911 marshall law and terrorstorm.
Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 650 Location: Sydney, Australia
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject:
I have been banned from prison planet forum and all my posts have been deleted.
Notashill, is this what you intended by your accusations?
Here is copy of Notashill's recent post on that forum:
Quote from: 911oz.com
My disillusionment with Alex Jones has been gradual and steady but lately it has been progressing at a faster rate and I am now thoroughly sick of him. He is not trustworthy. His films are shonky. Like so many charlatans he abuses the English language by telling you over and over again how "trustworthy" he is ... but this is just word play. I would say about 70% of what he says on air has verifiable sources behind the claims. The other 30% of what he says is nonsense. This is a classic disinfo technique.
I have come to the personal conclusion that Alex Jones is a fake, probably working for the U.S. Government.
taken from 911oz.com in the offtopic section in the thread titled "ALEX JONES - TRUTHER HERO OR REDNECK A-HOLE" made by the owner and head admin of the site "hereward".
let him have it, many aussies would see this site when looking to meet up and he is running the movement a cointelpro op shutting down 9/11 truth in this country.
this is big news. we need american support. go forward and defend!
Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 650 Location: Sydney, Australia
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject:
There is an important point i need to emphasise about this storm in a tea cup.
Notwithstanding mutual accusations of "fake", "cointel" etc, I have been making clear and reasoned arguments about this issue, and I did not lead by calling him a fake - this came later as a result of my frustration at the gatekeers who protect and defend him beyond all reason and sense.
These substantive arguments have not even been addressed by my detractors, except insofar as they have all now been deleted.
This to me reveals something very interesting and important about the people who run prison planet forums.
Clearly it reveals that there is no spirit of free speech there. It expresses a crude tribal mentality which appears bent on actually creating and exacerbating divisions within society.
In many ways it dovetails nicely with the rash behavior of Joe Horn and the equally rash and barbaric and really inhumane gloating over his actions by Alex Jones and his groupies.
I still don't know if PP is a deliberate psyop operation. The jury is out on that one. But when the jury comes in those who are found to be working to an insidious agenda will be called to account by all true Truthers.
The word "Truther" does have a real meaning. It is not just a label.
Those of you who can't understand that are not worthy of the title.
I see you are provoking me to ban you, so you can carry on with your sick little game.
Listen: I am not going to ban you until you break the forum rules.
You have already come close to that by threatning a cyber attack on my website.
If you do that again or act in threatening abusive or trollish manner I will ban you.
I will say this: you are a fool.
i got yo fool right here home boy:
Nerdcore Hiphop mc frontalot can rock the turntable
[wack scratch] I'm unable
nerd core hip hop other rappers run in fear
that I'll put them on the record where their friends could hear
they'd get sneered at, listed: not to be trusted
seen hob-nobbin with the frontalot, busted
"that kid's a dork, he rhyme every day
on the karaoke rappin yo he ain't got anything to say
ain't got no record deal, never will
such a spaz better get his ass some kind of a sedative"
pish-posh! I come as wack as I like
spit-spackle the mic, dispensing my dis-ingenius advice
accuse famous rappers of biting my style
I get shot at
sit at home try to simulate a high hat
wishin' CPU could rock a beat
and hoping that if he does it isn't weak, I'm
wishin' CPU could rock a beat
nerd core hip hop could reign supreme
making mention of my dj CPU
nerd-core hip hop is the style he use
step to my DJ, you better step prepared
he got 28 n 22/50ths squared
just a little more than the beat you thought
frontalot drop-kickin rhythm in the double ought
sought skinny little beats
but returned with the fat of the land
now I got a swollen hip-hop gland
I suffer hypochondria, think my beats is sick
but don't trip, don't trip
i'ma listen to the bootleg mp3
post the frontalot demo on my ftp
run away from the rappers who are just like me
cause they ain't appreciating who my DJ be
i mean really, way to blame me and single me out for argueing my point against your point.
how you can insult me then not accept a return insult is weak dude.
you got no sense of humor, no idea of individuality and no right to insult me for defending alex when you attacked him first.
i shot down your points with my points, i matched your insults with my educated guesses and i opened up the thread to others to judge who might take offence at it or not but at least would have known something about alex from listening to him themselves.
i dont care if you ban me.
as a matter of fact, BAN ME. THIS SITE IS SH*T AND YOUR A F*CKHEAD. anybody who cant see that needs their head checked, THIS SITE IS A F*CKING DISGRACE, hereward has the SH*TTEST reputation around online for being a jackboot shill motherfucker.
HE GOT BANNED FROM PRISONPLANET FOR BEING A TROLL!!!!!
everyone thought he was a troll over there, not for his words about alex but for the way he ignored others views and kept trying to instigate fights.
THINK ABOUT IT, since the sites start its had nothing but trolls running wild with disinfo and hereward playing puppet master and bringing 9/11 investigation into "tinhat land" for people to diss.
NO WONDER PEOPLE CALL YOU A DIRTY JEW COINTELPRO JACKBOOT.
YOU F*CKING ARE!
im coming to a protest rally you advertise, i'll be the one dissappearing into the crowd when your lips swell up and your eye turns black. hows twenty hoods stomping your face sound? there i threatened you so ban me, why not call the dogs on me to? im going to shove one of those investigate 9/11 signs sideways up your arse.
Wow i just read all this thread
Heres my 2 cents worth
1: Alex Jones IS a redneck texan, whatever you think he does to spread truth (and i like him) He is a Christian redneck... Its not a problem for me, just accept it and move onwards
2: Alex HAS become a bit too commercial in recent times, I dont think this is him spreading dis info, its just him growing his personal income machine.
3: Guns as a defence to make things safer is a stupid argument that makes no sense in the real world at all and anyone who thinks more guns will make things safer has been sniffing the lighter fluid for a few hours too much
4: Hereward, you do seem to wind people up sometimes, lighten up!
5: Notashill... surprisingly i cant work you out, sometimes you write like Jake.. and sometimes you make a lot of sense... Who are you??? Anyone whom i cannot pick must have something going for them...
6: Hereward, explain the 50 year old man and Jenny thing please.. Ive been there defending us from her and i would like to know!
7: If anyone came to rob my place and my daughter was in danger i would chop off their heads and more to stop anything happening to her.. Stuff any laws.. id do whatever it took to stop the shit
8:(ex) Wife or Mother... actually id let them both slip into the waves whilst running off to collect the life insurasnce....
erm........... thats about it really, im off now, to spread what happened on 9/11 to whomever i meet.. thats why we are here is it not???!!!!! _________________ Job DONE
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