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[Maria Polydor]

Hello everyone...

I've never understood the reason behind some people having problems with this site. When I first discovered this forum I was overwhelmed with joy having encountered fellow minded individuals in Australia & having a place to post new info..etc.

But..now. I understand. I won't get into the details as it is not worth it and I'm sure most of you have experienced similar problems with the admin on this forum. I have not broken any terms/ conditions on this site yet have been attacked for having more than one account. Invasion of privacy! BIG TIME! I value my privacy and being a young woman it's only common sense to be cautious especially online and in a forum such as this.

I'm very disapointed...

On another note. Can anyone recommend another 911 truth site/forum which is less nazi like & respects people's privacy?

I know Erik is working on www.911oz.com.au but it's not fully up and running as of yet.

All the best!

[Von Curtis]

Yes I was very happy when I found it too as I am surrounded by very conservative people in the bush . I wouldn't worry too much about it , we must be careful not to discredit each other though or fight amongst ourselves as it plays right into the hands of those who don't like truth and questions. We must always be polite and speak our truth quietly and clearly and let others have their say. Most of us don't like control but we probably don't want anarchy either. The world is a fascinating place and little by little it is getting better including the weather with all this beautiful rain!

[able]

read you p.m's before thinking the worst i have a job to do and i do it well!

you have not been attacked i asked a simple question in private that would have been cleared up with a simple answer in private....

the admin can not view private messages! not even the owner!
a issue was raised by another member that a p.m you sent (under your other nick that i will not disclose) could be seen as private information gathering.... "can you help me put names to faces on here" (could be inocent could be seen as nefarious) under the circumstances you already know there names as you have bbq with them! and i thought it a strange question once i seen the two nicks!!!!

but this being asked by what every member on here thought was a new member could be viewed as strange!

under those circumstances and those reasons only i made sure this "new member" was at least from Australia and at least from the state they claimed to be from!

there is very very limited moderation here! only swearing and hate speech and heading off personal attacks!

in your p.m's all was explained! but you did this instead of waiting for a reply?

we have had members start multiple accounts before....
the two people that have opened multiple accounts before have been jenny and foco and we all know what happened there!

think about it please.... there has been precedence of this behavior and if i don't at least query this i would not be doing my job!

i have even pulled hereward up on a old "test" nick he used.... its just part of the job!

if you read your p.m's you will see there was no need to go off.

all on here know your name you give it freely,all on here know your state you give that info freely!

if you just said something like... i have had second thought about the name i used and i am concerned considering the topics discussed on here and i have change to a less personal nick.....

my intentions are to protect both posters and this forum, please consider this for one minute please!

i hope i have explained my position and responsibilities and reasons to your satisfaction.

i regret your misinterpretation of my actions and apologize for what i hope is your temporary dissatisfaction.

peace.
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[shiizaa]

Why does anyone need more than one name on a truth forum?

[Erik]

I don't think I'll be running a forum on that site..

Maybe you should ask to have your login name changed by the admins.
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[notashill1]

wow, someones cover got blown!

good works are done in the sunshine... so let me clear this up. (as im not admin or a mod, just a private person im bound by no rules of privacy)

REMOVED sent me a pm asking to put names to faces of posters who attend a bbq in sydney, as im not from nsw and im a new member and i was suss about the intelligence gathering, i pm'd able telling him what happened and just gave him a heads up. having had experiance in the grafitti culture of cops gathering info online when i was asked about peoples names irl i was suss about the motives. it seemed and still seems a wierd thing to ask. even moreso now that its disclosed maria/REMOVED attends these bbqs.

perhaps you were sussin me out, perhaps it was more sinister, perhaps it was just lite banter.

but it was defintly not nazi tactics on the admins part. i put the word out to look into it. as i felt the gathering of names from members was itself an invasion of privacy. much more then someone being informed what was in a private message.

so now i have some questions.

1)why the two user names?
2)why the vastly different posts under each user name? the REMOVED account says some pretty suss things, and the maria account seems decent? why the bipolar skitzo act?
3)why the pm asking for who is real, and if im going to attend a social function?

feel free to not answer and let it blow over if you wish. but im sure others are curious about this now to. and im sorry to air this in public, but since the thread wasnt made by me but involved a pm sent to me, id prefer it be dealt with in the open now so as to not just look like the admin acted in the wrong manner.

i got no axe to grind, so please dont take offence. it was just suss. thats all.

[notashill1]

tell me this isnt a suss pm. and who is "maz maria" your other account is maria polydor, was that you asking if your other alias was online? SUSS. in particular the sydney stickers referance rung the graf writer alarm bell in my head. for referenace in the future, if i did know anyones real name regardless if i thought it was a cop asking me or not, i wouldnt say a thing.

REMOVED PM DUE TO ABLES BEING A STICKLER TO THE RULES (HAHA PEACE MATE)

[able]

i repeat maria my investigation was on a new member not you.

a new member trying to workout our names!

i thought i was potentially protecting you,me,everyone from someone trying to work out names and addresses!

but when it ended up as you... it made no sense.

i regret this misunderstanding! ring john if you question my intentions or safety

please let me know if you understand as it pains me that you took it wrong!

in the interests of protecting you i have unwantingly offended you!

there you made me make up a word that does not exist!
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[able]

notashill1! we have a policy to not post p.m!

i only quoted in defense of my actions!

please remove it!
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[notashill1]

I'm new to this forum and have yet to meet people. Just trying to figure out who knows who. Are they the real deal?

so would others answer this with: From: notashill1
To: REMOVED
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:48 pm
Subject: Re: Sydney stickers
im not from nsw. dont know who ur talking about. wont be attending a bbq in nsw.

have a nice day. :Cool:

OR would you answer like this: yeah fakealiasname is a great fellow, he and thisotheralias and aliasonetwothree and me drink beers all the time. (telling the person you associate with these people irl)
OR well fakealiasname is pretty okay, he (real name) and his wife (name) had me over for dinner last week, they cant cook for sh*t!

you can see how thats a really suss question to ask as to answer it either says you do or dont know the people in real life, and can even lead someone to drop a name. it reaked of the same tactics undercovers use to bust writers online. if you want an example of what im talking about google for: ozhiphop josh mars

thats a cop who made a myspace page and linked to writers asking who knew who according to their tag names. its how they build a data base of association so they can then put pressure on people they bring in to rat on others they know ie: "we know you know "tag name" you said it in a message, so unless you want to be busted for all their "crime" then prove it isnt you and its a real person, tell us their name!"

perhaps this is nothing like that, if so im really sorry i took it that way. in future you can learn from this and be more aware of how this type of thing can look to people, so its not a total loss. peace. (unless you are a cop, then hows the donuts today?)

edit: i took out the senders info. which makes this my pm. so i can post my own response right?

[able]

please remove her second nick!!!!
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[notashill1]

i was doing just that as you posted the last message dude. haha.

[Erik]

Yeah Shill, that's how Facebook works for the CIA... Once we had the cops pull that shit on us.. "we know you know xx, tell us what you know or... xxx" All I can tell you is, if the cops can book you for a crime they will, if they can't they'll just ask you question so that you incriminate others and yourself.

Whenever a cops tells you something is for your benefit, they're lieing.

Sorry to derail the thread.
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On some positions, Cowardice asks the question, "Is it safe?" Expediency asks the question, "Is it politic?" And Vanity comes along and asks the question, "Is it popular?" But Conscience asks the question "Is it right?" And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it becuse Conscience tells him it is right. - M. King

[able]

thank you for understanding and protecting peoples privacy!
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[able]

on the other hand erik you have shown more my reasons to look into it in the first place....

its a shame this has ended out in the open!

it should have stayed in p.m's and have been cleared up in them....

it was odd behavior... now that it has been aired....

at least i hope i have vindicated myself from the dismissed allegations leveled at all admin!
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