-- The OLD 911oz Forum (Read Only) --

[Hereward]

A man gunned down two alleged burglars (armed only with crowbars) with a pump action shot gun as they were fleeing his neighbour's house with a "bag of loot". These are the facts as agreed by A. Jones. The man called 911 and said he was going to shoot them because he did not want them to "get away with the loot".

Jones says the man deserves a medal. audio: click here

some quotes:

[Paperclip]

We all have a right to defend ourselves and our families .

What if these burglers had other intentions?? What if they planned on rapping and killing his wife and children? Then what? Would it then be o.k to shoot them? What lengths are justified?

Whether these criminals have had a hard life or not is not the issue.. If it was their chosen career they would be fully aware of the consequences.

They had it coming!

[shiizaa]

So where does evolvement of the human race come into play?
Killing each other is the best that we can come up with?

Social betterment involves a total change in the way we work as a society.
What good is the truth if we all stay in a mindset that encourages killing as punishment.

[Hereward]

[able]

i admit that when i hear a noise in my backyard i do take out a baseball bat....

i have not had to use it though.

if it was his own house he would be justified in using some kind of force but the right to use deadly force to me is disgusting and has even been used to legally kill neighborhood bully's e.g. i seen on one show a man was charged with murder after he was forced to show the whole surveillance tape from his porch camera which proved he enticed a young hoon onto his porch were he killed him point blank and claimed it was self defense...... he had a loaded gun ready and clearly it could be seen he just wanted to kill the boy...
it was cold blooded murder trying to hid behind the right to protect your home laws....



the fact that it was not his house in my book makes it a absolute case for murder!

and yes in this instant alex jones has gone to far!

but i will not condemn him and cast aside all that he has done on this moment of blind stupidity and lack of humanity that shows in his comments.

i will post an the pp forum my disappointment and try to word it so that others can see that if we loose our powers of compassion then we have lost the very fight and plight we have taken on!

in this instants i am ashamed of alex jones and yes he acted like a two bit red neck on this one!
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what if i say i will never surrender?

[Hereward]

I posted last night in a heated state, and i agree that alex has done alot of good.

But .. I have listened to a great many his radio shows and given him my support and tried to explain to people that he is a decent guy ... and I feel like I have been betrayed when i hear him advocating cold blooded homicide.

How can you criticise police brutality and the erosion of civil liberties while at the same time endorsing extreme vigilante violence?

THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!

If you listen to the 911 audio in the above case, it is clear that this guy fully intends to blow these two guys away. Where is the due process? Even if you agree with the death penalty, is break and enter a capital crime? And even then, why does this man get to be judge, jury and executioner? How about a fair trial? How about presenting the evidence before a court, for example?

How can anyone endorse this barbaric act???? Hello???

This makes a mockery of everything WE are fighting for. It makes a mockery of our opposition to the the war on terror as an attack on common on law principles like the right to a fair trial, habeus corpus, due process and the burden of proof.

For some reason Alex thinks all that we have struggled for can be casually put to one side when your gun toting next door neighbour gets it into his head that someone is break and entering your property.

The really scary thing is that Alex has such influence now (as exampled by the bleating herd-like comment of "paperclip" above). This is very dangerous and very wrong.

Alex needs to issue an apology and a retraction. Until he does I am removing him from this website.

To all the loyal Jones fans out there, I beg you to open your eyes and not blindly follow this man down this track.

Do not fall into the trap of tribal cultish loyalty which goes against all the principles you have previously upheld.

Alex has just moved the goal posts folks ... that is how tyranny begins.

[Von Curtis]

For all of us it is a struggle ( maybe daily) not to fall into the abyss ourselves. That was the message from Jesus , Ghandi and all those other wonderful people through the ages who have fought or who still fight tryanny by peaceful means.

[able]

my comment on pp forum...

[Hereward]

Thanks able. It is comforting to see. This is needed.

[Hereward]

[able]

link to comments on the "Kill Thy Neighbors Burglar" thread on the prison planet forum.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=15396.0
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[notashill]

post from pp by myself:

if i was armed, and two men were breaking into my neighbours house and they may be armed although im not sure.

would i shoot them?

yeah. id blow them away with a chest shot like a target at the range.

why?
1)they are doing a home invasion/home robbery.
2)its my neighbour. in my area.
3)the cops wont be their in time to catch them?
4)because it will stop them robbing someone else?

really, in this case, im agreeing with alex jones. and not the "australian truth movement" which by the way is more than the people posting in this thread. im not going to label the people but its not hard to work out.
and im ashamed to see them make a big deal out of one damn comment by alex. a man whos done more for truth than them, although they are doing a good job.

pull ya f*cking heads in. i'll post this on their board to read also.

murder is wrong for sure, this wasnt a cold blooded murder, this was a man with a gun defending his neighbours goods. and i couldnt give a sh*t what circumstances lead for the crooks to be there that day, if you break into someones home be ready to get blasted you bloody fool.

go rob a bank instead.

this is one small case in a ocean of information and events. to boycott alex jones on an australian truth site unless he gives a retraction is rediculous. and for christ sakes, to the owner and starter of this beef, YOU DONT SPEAK FOR ALL AUSTRALIAN TRUTHERS.

im not one to drink the kool aid. but you dont have to agree with everything someone says, to the point if you disagree once you boycott them? i thought you dudes were smarter than this. your the ones should print the retraction mates. hope this doesnt undermine the truth movement or solidarity amongst us. but im not joining your camp on this issue just cause we're aussies. i think for myself.

and like i said, id of shot the bastards dead to. unless they were a couple of stupid kids, then id have let them see the gun and held them for the police to take. grown men should and do know better.

to let this one statement affect you promoting alex jones who does a great job waking people up is so f*cking stupid and pig headed. come on, stop being devisive.

[notashill]

that was my post on pp.

this one is just for 911oz.

hereward, you are not the voice of the australian truth movement. you do not dictate what should be boycotted or decide what/who is worth watching or listening to.

if you have a problem with someone or something, the professional thing to do would be to not promote the thing. not to whinge and rant and boycott.

does it need pointing out that of all the things on your mainpage that endgame has the most comments? alex jones is a huge draw card for 9/11 truth, but he's a man with his own views, and his influence is mainly on americans of which is his country so that is fine.

until you get a radio show, make nearly 20 documentrys, rub shoulders with fame and turn on millions around the world to the truth you dont get the right to defame someone who has done all that OVER ONE DAMN COMMENT.

able and some others who are normally rational people might jump on your coat tales with this but im sure as hell not.

im waiting for your response on this. but if your a egotistical soft on criminals wanker go ahead and ban me and delete my contributions to this site. i'll be sure to not continue to reccomend to others on other forums to sign up and post on here.

or, admit your just attacking alex jones because you over reacted like a decent folk that loves everyone is prone to do and we can be cool.

the way i see it, your beef was promoting violence.

eye for an eye sunshine, some people dont have a problem with that type of thinking, and i have heard many many many times alex jones say that if we got violent that would be it and marshall law would be declared. your barking up the wrong tree big time with this. did you expect everyone would just follow suit and agree with you? or that you could just call them trolls and ban them if they didnt? well am i a troll? no im not am i. so consider what ive said before you go ahead and delete this crap and stop the infighting waste of time sh*t your carrying on with.

and on the flip side of this, americans are at risk of losing their guns rights and coming under marshall law, alex was most probally aware that this issue could be a catalyst for that to happen and so took the stance of "dont be soft on crooks, shoot them its the right thing to do".
he does not encourage violence, this is very much a once of. to bad its clearly being picked up as ammo given that alex is the tip of the spear.

wake up to your self pretty boy.

[able]

you have every right to your opinion notashill....

it will not be deleted as far as i can see.... its just you opinion of the mater, except the last statement... "pretty boy" which is clearly meant to anger.

i agree that pulling anything alex jones is ridicules over this mater and i personally would not stand for it.....

pp is my morning paper, thats clear for anyone with eye's...

let us just hope its a once off.... there is no need to fight amongst our selves or bad mouth mr jones.

but on the same token everyone has a right to a opinion.... everyone!

by the way i don't jump on coat tails... i say it as i see it and me and hereward happened to see it the same way but one is clearly more upset then the other..

no one is telling you how to think or who to blame....
and hereward does not think he is THE AUSTRALIAN TRUTH MOVEMENT... there is no master and slaves, just a group of like minded people that are smart enough to know there is strength in numbers...

hereward deserves respect for his efforts for both 911 truth and getting this site and forum up and other projects in the works....
he still sits at a round table here and is judged on his posts same as anyone else....

to tell you the truth i was going to post last night and i chose to sleep on it.. i felt my gut reaction to jump down hereward's throat was just a instant reflex to defend alex so i waited untill i had a good think first....
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[Hereward]

notashill,

if you want to promote pre-meditated homicide then go somewhere else. this is a fast ticket to oblivion, but who cares its your life.

Jones has disgraced himself, and you are now chasing HIS coat tails.

I run an independent website. unlike i you don't slavishly follow any leader.

As i recall you were one of the chorus yelling for the banning of rob-mcc, simply because you didn't like his attitude.

I had nothing to do with his banning, by the way, and i am not happy about it.

After all, he didn't endorse murder.

If you don't like it here then go start your own forum.

adios.