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[genghis]

hi everyone i'm new to the forum. so i wanted to get straight to the meat of the subject.

flight 77 and 93 are missing [another time and place for now]

what is everones' ideas on 11 and 175?

passenger boeings?
military plane ?
plane looking weapon thing?
missiles?

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=genghis6199

[able]

military planes said by people that where there and that is as close to the truth as we can get!

but i firmly believe that once thay hit that bombs took out the structure from in the basement and thermate and other bombs where used in the tops!

im sure this would be the way most people think it went down (in fact that could be the only way given the overwhelming evidence!)
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what if i say i will never surrender?

[Me]

planes hit the towers!!!!
9/11 truth would do well to steer away from crazy theories about missiles, holograms and the like

it damages the cause

[able]

[Me]

well all the evidence points to a missile
the plane that was "supposed" to have hit the pentagon had the most fuel on it if all three that supposedly crashed into buildings,

also when you look at the entry wound in the pentagon you can clearly see chairs, computers and other stuff that had not been burnt or touched at all!!!!

if the other planes caused such a fire as to bring down the towers you would think that there would be more entry wound damage from a plane that hits something else with more fuel in it!!!

there is no proof that a misile hit the pentagon BUT.. all the evidence points to it

i would like to press again that planes really did ihit the towers and any other kind of talk really does detract from the evidence we have of controlled demolition

its just my opinion but the "no plane" theory is impluasable and i think does cause damage to the cause we are all fighting for

feel free to disagree people!

[genghis]

nobody mentioned holograms. and remember loose change itself implies military planes, a drone and non existant flight 93 crash.

stop regurgitating thought control.

what do you think hit the towers?

[Me]

i think two commercial jets hit the towers and i think they possibly had "something" on their undercarrige

i did not say anyone mentioned holograms, i was simply pointing out a few of the thoeries that i consider to do damage to the cause

thats my right, as it is indeed anyone elses right to go on about all the "no plane" theories

that does not mean i dont think they damage the 9/1 truth cause..

we will get a lot further if we stick to the evidence in front of us... and leave the "theories" behind

if someone can show me proof or evidence of drones, holograms or anything else i will learn and possibly change my views

there is so much out there we CAN prove
lets stick to it

"stop regurgitating thought control"

erm, what does that actually mean!!!! its just a cliched statement
please explain

[Rpaul]

[genghis]

here's a thought:

the truth movement has been infiltrated by perps. steven jones used to run los alamos. ring any bells?. all the big web sites say 'stick to the basics' 'the smoking gun is wtc7'. they are leading you into the abbatoir pens. soon they will show you photos of a raging fire in the basement of wtc7. they will show you demo teams using thermite to cut up the scrap.

in one fell swoop the entire truth movement is debunked

a few facts:
no one died in wtc7.
the owner said to pull it.

is this even a crime?.
do we get to the real perps?.

you are all being herded. be careful . think for yourselves.

if the big web sites tell you what to think, start analysing the opposite.
i work with a lot of planehuggers, i also collect clips to help them with their evidence. i do believe the towers were demolished.

BUT WE WILL NEVER PROVE THIS

the scrap is in china and steve jones and his little test tube of dust is not gonna help. but all the plane evidence is still around.

if we build a nice little theory that people can wrap their heads around is faulty thinking. you might as well write a novel.

what really matters is - what happened? - what is the real truth?

don't underestimate the public. you might not be able to wrap your head around it but there is plenty of people who can now. maybe it's time to examine the facts and let the public decide what's real

WHO ARE WE TO DECIDE WHAT PEOPLE CAN DEAL WITH ?????

[Me]

i do believe the towers were demolished.

BUT WE WILL NEVER PROVE THIS


the above NOT TRUE, if it was, what the hell are we all doing here, the steel is only a small part of the process...... we WILL prove it with or without steel

anyway, there is PLENTY of evidence of the steel being cut out there to suggest controlled demolition... film, pictures and more film.. we dont need the actual pieced

and we will prove it a lot easier if we avoid trying to theorise that there were no planes hitting the towers

if someone came up to me and tries to say no planes hit the towers i would look at them as if they were slightly mad, if they sat me down and showed me the evidence of controlled demolition... my view would be different


you are worrying me matey... i smell a plant

and not the lovely green variety you stick in thrree rizlas!!!!

he he

[genghis]

yeh i hear you but i think all this evidence is subjective to opinion. and when you say 'tell someone that no plane hit the towers' you are playing a very old boring game with the facts. loose change themselves say it was a military plane. 'no plane' theory is very particular. i don't know many people who believe that . gerard holmgren, coffinman, a few others. i believe a plane was there, but i think it was the eye candy for what really happened.

i have been through this convo a few times, so i'm used to these arguments, but generally people just don't want to wrap their heads around it. fair enuff. but there's an avalanche of people studying building 7 and we still can't find flight 77 and 93, it's kinda wierd.

here's a question, has anybody looked at the naudet first strike footage lately?. i suggest you empty your mind, look at the footage. think, what am i seeing?. forget what i was told. what am i seeing?. is that a boeing

by the way, it's good to see an oz forum running. MUCH RESPECT.

[Me]

genghis
im actually just watching some of the videos on your youtube space...

Is that yr voice?

i hope ure not a Man Utd supporter!!!!

i watched where did this plane come from?' i see whare your coming from too and i have looked into these "no plane. different plane" ideas..

I just cant see how thousands upon thousands of real everyday people watching in new yourk could be fooled like that....

Yes i know everyone (not us) has been fooled into thinking that the towers fell because of the planes, but thats easy to fake.. not easy to PLAN but easy in front of real people and cameras to fake but .....making something look like it is flying into a building and then hitting it , when in fact it is not,is something totally different.

On what the planes actually were ...I think given the cross section of people there in New York and the speed of the event (the actual plane coming into most peoples eye shot and crashing into the tower) you would get some people saying they saw something other than a passenger jet hit, its just like if you ask a room full of witnesses what a man who was in a room for three seconds wore.... the general picture would be the same but the room would all see something slightly different....

I know the NWO masters are evil bastards, i know they are rich and powerful but i think that even this was just beyond them

I am totally open to the idea of the plane that "hit" the pentagon being taken off somewhere... all i see there is a missile hole.....that one makes sense and will until they release FULL footage of ALL cameras to prove it wrong....

I am closed to nothing, i decide on what i believe after looking into all options....

i just cant see it, and i dont think most others could... thats why i steer clear of talking about it when i spread the word.. no other reason....

[Me]

ha ha silly me, i just realised those are not vids you made

[dazzassj6]

If you new guys have NOT READ OPERATION NORTHWOODS a declassifed government plan to carry out false flag operations on cuba i suggest you read it. Because it gives you a good idea about how they MIGHT have did with the original plane by making clones and taking the original one to another secret base.

Just read the document and you'll get what i mean. Some people are so stubborn(media people) says "then what happened to the original passengers? where did that plane go to?" Operation northwoods answers that in details. And the plans are pretty good too.

[genghis]

in regards to people at new york. no one said they saw a 767. i have a huge archive of witness footage. the descriptions vary widely, from missile to 737. most have this bewildered thing where they say 'i saw the plane fly over then i saw the explosion'
with all the buildings very few people could see the towers.

i'll throw you guys a HOT BONE.

i've always wondered where the flight 93 wreckage was, gravy says they found 95% of it?.

I FOUND IT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBkJrqV2qkQ