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[Y]

To those who are perhaps new to the forum, and these issues in general you may not have heard of the US republican Congressman Ron Paul; now a viable presidential candidate for the Republican party. [http://www.ronpaul2008.com/]

Over the past few years I have increasingly lost confidence with traditional mechanisms of power both within the US and in Australia. It only takes a bit of research to realize that democratic ‘powers’ that be are controlled not though vote rigging (until perhaps the last decade) but a subtle manipulation of BOTH sides of the two dimentinal conflict that we have been conditioned to accept as Democracy.

If you were to watch American Dictators (by Alex Jones):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7143092292184582857&q=american+Dictators&hl=en

Or read Andrew Suttons book:
Americas Secret Establishment: “An introduction to the Skull and bones”

You will realize that the notion of a subversive influence CAN indeed exist, without being directly visible (i.e. invisible) without further examination. Although this thread is not designed to explore these entities (perhaps another time): the overriding theme that illuminates this dark entities overriding ambitions include:

*A centralization of monetary policy/distribution by introduction of a FIAT currency system

*Support for unbridled free trade, that encourages international interdependence as a means to increase productivity. The implication of the Globalist Doctrine however, is the inevitable social/political repercussions that echo this merging of ‘member states’. For more info on the consequences of this (in respect to the US) read this (by me a while back. It was not written for a wider audience but I don’t have time to re-write it now):
“The North American Union – The Globalists Final Frontier”
http://www.vtil.org/vtil/NAUrob.doc

*To establish fellow members of the ‘boys club’ in key positions of power, as a means to consolidate said power. In a republic/democracy “for the people” this has no place.

*To centralize military over a unified economic region (see EU army in above article).

*To diminish the power of citizenry as a means to fulfill said objectives. This power, comes in placing the citizen ABOVE the law, with access to key irrevocable rights.
The victory of the NWO comes in manipulating US to ask for these rights to be revoked. This ties into:

*Control of the media.

*Population control.

Among others...

Key presidential candidates emulated the notion of ‘choice’ by publicly opposing one of the above themes, whilst endorsing another. All political polemic up to this point relies on this fact.

It would seem Ron Paul does not serve ANY of the above interests based on my understanding of his platform.
So to answer the big question: Is he controlled?
I would say not.
I would say that Ron Paul serves as a magnificent example which illuminates the cracks that inevitably will form on a movement that is built on lies and deceit.

Here are some examples of the persona that is Ron Paul:

Republican candidate debates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7d_e9lrcZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peBGJwE9NXo

Ron Pauls response to Rudy’s “outrage”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAt6Pf7jZjA

Wow: is this really gaining steam?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYDt7kC3Z0


Clearly the issues addressed at 911 oz are by its nature Bi-partisan and not affiliated with any particular political party. This is a good thing, but the issue of R.Paul has (for me at least) been one of the more invigorating and inspiring examples of how the official political channels which exist (however degraded) can be used for such a positive change.

EDIT: Removed Imbedding.
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[cr_maverick]

This whole Ron Paul thing is YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE of the Hegelian Dialectic. This leader was given to the 9/11 Truth Sheeple by Gatekeeper Alex Jones to create a false truth paradigm, and give those people who follow this crap a false sense of achievement and victory whenever they help him get "mainstream" coverage. Other example sare this whole Rosie O'Donell crap. Sheeple do not realise that they are getting slowly but incrementally diverted to another plane of thinking. And besides to think that this one man who can't even publicly state that 9/11 was an inside job will change a systemically corrupt sytem that he himself has been a part of is naivete to the nth degree. He is a pawn, designed to lead other pawns round and round in circles. Blind leading the blind basically.
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[Y]

Excuse my late response, been busy.

That’s a very valid observation maverick. However, when Hegelian dialectic is exploited as a method of control in politics, it only becomes useful when the people are conned into letting ‘one person’ represent them.

The consequence of this is that the people voluntarily GIVE UP their power to such a figure head, and follow the party line. This achieves two things:
1. it 'institutionalizes' the conflict at hand and rendering it vulnerable to manipulation
2. it discourages individual thought, and raises a common ‘mob mentality’ which is also easily subject to subtle manipulation.


The illusion of choice is sufficient for most people to withdraw from grassroots/individual initiative.

However the supporters of Ron Paul (for example) are attracted to his policies as they focus on the ‘individual’. Individual rights, individual investigation and

If ronpaul is indeed a pawn of the overlords, I struggle to see how Hegelian dialectic here is used as a social ‘control valve’ to moderate peoples distain.
The truth movement that existed BEFORE Ron Paul is only energized by his move to represent this perspective.

Grassroots activism and ‘individual AWARENESS’ is only increased by his speeches, publications and links.
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[kimosabi]

I just can't see Ron Paul being a Puppet for the Ruling Elite.

Why would he effectively blow the whistle on the whole corrupt system if he was working for the elite.

It makes no sense.

[Focoist]

Ron Paul promotes Osama 9/11. Is that a political strategy?

He also promotes Gold currency which will never work and would make the illuminati even richer because they stole all the gold already.

[able]

i think he is the only good apple in the barrel!

the osama thing is so he is not wiped of the face of the earth politically....

that will change....

he has spoken out on many things for many years! thats how u tell if he is a shill or not and the record sez his not!
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what if i say i will never surrender?

[John Bursill]

I think Paul is the best we've got; end of story really.

Foco, your pure attitude continues to divide people!

We must attain some sort of consensus on the issues of political support or we will just continue to be individuals.

How about you put your support, say in hope that Paul may be moving towards the truth but he needs to stay the f^&k alive to do it.

You are so awake you put others to sleep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice to see you survived that plane crash though.......

Regards John
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[Focoist]